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LIVE! Adam Stokes and Richard Heart talk haters, HEX and 2020.
Jan 5, 2020
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cash to you over the post so they would
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there will be a digital cash why not and
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we well because if I had a choice I
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could do it you might notice it's
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actually not that bad if I had a choice
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though if right now you set out them I'm
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gonna give you a hundred dollars and you
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said how do you want it I'll post it to
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you or I'll Swift it to you or I'll give
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it to you on Bitcoin I'll take option
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three but it doesn't matter what I it
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doesn't matter what I want my argument
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Richard is that I want those three
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options I would say don't take we're on
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the same team here we really are cool
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yeah so it's not hard to attack banks
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they suck it's not hard to attack
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government's they suck we're on the same
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team banks government suck I'm with you
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your talk with Roger ver so
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by way of background when I first got
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into crypto a few years ago I was just
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watching it on YouTube heard about this
02:14:01
Bitcoin mining thing I didn't know
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anything I still have so much to learn
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and I'm always learning into crypto
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space but one of the commentators on
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this video was brought over and I didn't
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actually know make the distinction back
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then because he was always saying
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Bitcoin he wasn't saying Bitcoin cash
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during his video he was saying Bitcoin
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and then of course as I moved through
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crypto land I made the distinction
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between different coins and different
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brands and the exploitation of Bitcoin
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now what I really admire about Richard
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and sorry Roger and yourself is that
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when you although you're on opposing
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sides to some of the things that you
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look at in crypto is that you're able to
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sit down and you were both able to have
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a conversation now
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during one of your recent discussions
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with him I actually commented publicly
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was that what you had done wasn't it
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wasn't so much what you're talking about
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is the fact that you were coming
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together as two people with opposing
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arguments in a public space saying we
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disagree on this let's have a let's have
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a debate let's do it respectfully and
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let's go through it so I just want to
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acknowledge you and Roger for doing that
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because we need more of this because too
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much as we move into the new millennial
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the new decade is that just having a
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conversation results in physical
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violence and as the example universities
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being shut down the streets being shut
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down things being labeled with hate
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speech and and things getting crazy
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outside of that glorification rent do
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you and Roger get along like a TV talk
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offline or is it only online after he's
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busy and I'm busy I mean but we both
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speak the truth and we're both attacked
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constantly and so it's we've known each
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other for many many years I mean we met
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maybe 2012 maybe maybe 2013 so like both
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want the same things for the world we
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want more personal freedom less
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government interference less violence
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you know so we have pretty much the same
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goals in mind
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this question of means look how do we
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get there so you know he wanted Bitcoin
02:16:11
transactions to be cheaper no one would
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help him do it so he did it the way that
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he thought would work by forking Bitcoin
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and now it does have cheaper
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transactions the coin that he does so
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you know and he's adding features to it
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faster than bitcoins adding features so
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he's doing his part to make the world a
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better place and it seems like he's
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getting traction
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you know it's she's making progress now
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the price chart hasn't really shown that
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but maybe one day that you know changes
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so look at how many people have left
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Bitcoin to go do other things my turn
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Gavin Anderson me Roger almost everybody
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and I think you'll eventually see
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everyone leave because if you want the
02:17:01
world to be a better place you only have
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so many routes that you can make that
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happen and bitcoins not one of them so
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like do you want to just leave the world
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suck or do you want to try and make an
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impact on a difference and if you do you
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got to leave the old [ __ ] behind like
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there's just there's nothing you can do
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there so you know Gavin tried to make
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bigger blocks to told know where I'd you
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try to make bigger blocks know I used to
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advertise like hey bigger blocks are on
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the roadmap you're gonna get him anyway
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because block stream wants them anyway
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and then that never [ __ ] happened so
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it's like oh okay
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I guess I guess we're not actually doing
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this killing thing then you've got this
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conflict of interest where bak stream
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sells cloud mining centralization block
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strange sells liquidity product called
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liquid that does you know it's trusted
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with a
hardware
security module totally
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centralized not totally but like
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centralized enough you don't have access
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to the
hardware
and the
hardware
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security module well is that good for
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Bitcoin is is them selling a competing
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product for handling liquidity that's
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not Bitcoin good is them selling cloud
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mining [ __ ] good as I'm having some
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I see a platform good no it's all bad
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it's all bad that's not good
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it's a conflict of interest so
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how much more suck do you want guys you
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want 65% of the mining in China is that
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where you want it you want to have
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centralized mining and you want to have
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it in China well that's what you got in
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Bitcoin you got 65 like you're like guys
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can we [ __ ] like it's bad there's a lot
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of things that are bad and they're not
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gonna get fixed they're not gonna get
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fixed so if you want good things you
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kind of do the hard work and get called
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you know Satan eyes and demon eyes and
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you got to go do the hard work and and
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build new things and just there's no way
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around it so you're gonna continue to
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see brain drain out of that ecosystem on
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two platforms or there's a future where
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there's hope where things are already
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running better ultimately though where
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although we sort of rally for I gave you
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the analogy of football so you might go
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for one football team I go for another
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football team but at the end of the day
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we all love football and I see that a
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lot in crypto land I say you like your
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crypto I like my crypto he likes his
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crypto whatever but sometimes we just we
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forget and we always become like those
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British soccer hooligans that end up
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killing each other and they all love
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football they all love soccer and
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they're all there to participate in this
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great game that they love and for us I
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think in crypto in the crypto community
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we all embrace this technology and we're
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all so passionate about it and that it
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unfortunately breaks down stuff the
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community to a point where we're all
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sort of I think in-house fighting but
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when it comes to you and Roger over
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speaking together I think it's important
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we've also seen it with Peter Schiff
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who's actually on the outside of crypto
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who's against crypto but Peter Schiff
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comes in and he he just he speaks to us
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he he says this is why I don't like
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crypto this is why if he gets a joke and
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this is why I like gold and we need more
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of this and I think in Capello and we
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sometimes forget that people are holding
02:20:04
on to the horse-and-cart systems of
02:20:06
money whilst we move into an age of if
02:20:08
you were jet powered or tata-less
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transport transport if you will but as
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you've rightfully said we can't
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influence the federal reserve my fear
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for crypto is that they can still
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influence us so I again referred to
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Andreas Antonopoulos if you can't pick
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it up I'm a huge fan of his and if I
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could speak to him what I'd love to but
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he says it doesn't really
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my cryptic have you heard about your
02:20:32
book on feminism it wouldn't happen
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Andreas has some cool ideas but he's an
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essay Judd he's like Jesus
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oh yeah he's hardcore sjw well then with
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a if you want a book if you want to book
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him in a conference he makes you fill
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out a form that says all the [ __ ] that
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you're gonna do that's JW style it's not
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good is that right yeah have you met him
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so like you know a big fan if you
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dedicate your life to standing on stage
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saying the same [ __ ] over and over again
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you're wasting your life record it buy
02:21:18
some ads and let the recording do a good
02:21:21
job maybe throw some production value on
02:21:22
their sound effects transitions maybe a
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nice pretty interviewer of some sort
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that's why you see me doing few of these
02:21:32
streams that I do because I've already
02:21:36
said most of the [ __ ] you just need to
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watch the other streams so it's like if
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so I don't I don't think Andreas has
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done well with his life personally and I
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think that he could have made a bigger
02:21:47
impact in the world just building
02:21:49
something cool he could have built unis
02:21:51
Wahb and so instead somebody else did he
02:21:53
could have built hacks instead I did he
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could have built you know some zk Starck
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stuff instead somebody else did so he
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just spends a lot of time [ __ ] talking
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technology not [ __ ] talking but like
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saying good things about it like an
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evangelist or whatever and what's the
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actual good or utility that comes out of
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that people buy backs so they bought
02:22:09
Bitcoin bags okay well what else what
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other good thing happened
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maybe someone went into dev around to
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crypto because of something they heard
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him saying okay oh that's that's good
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right so we got those two good things
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but this sjw [ __ ] is bad you know it's
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he's okay he's an okay evangelist right
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he doesn't curse as much as I do and you
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know I'd be happy to see him represent
02:22:36
Bitcoin or any crypto really publicly so
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it's nice to have that a person that's
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not
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